Not of Peace, but with a Conscience?
Published on September 5, 2004 By pseudosoldier In Current Events
I've hated reading some of greywar's articles for awhile now: the Religion of Peace series.
It's because he's damned persuasive. It's a dark, dark world, and it's easy to think bad things about a lot of people. I'm the resident Arabologist (and part-time Arabiaphile) of our little group, so I don't like to think bad things about my subject matter, as it were...

Link
This article, however, is just the type of article that I need to push back the darkness, and convince myself that there are kernels of good spread out in the world. People, not all people, but some people, they have consciences. *Whew*

Reading it a bit deeper, yeah, this is pretty refreshing. I hope grey sees this... but I think I may print it out and take it into work, just to make sure.

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on Sep 06, 2004
Thank you for sharing this. We do need to hear the other side as well.
on Sep 06, 2004
It's an unusually optimistic post from me, I assure you.
on Sep 06, 2004
Excellent post. I hope we see more of this.

(and I can't help but wonder why stories like this are perpetually overlooked by mainstream news organizations).
on Sep 06, 2004
    Actually he showed me this at work and it is interesting that in the entire article about how muslims were against the recent atrocity in Russia they were able to produce exactly one quote from anyone in authority. Thats right one. Every other one barely could speak a negative verb about the act or call it terrorism. Hell CNN was so desperate to prove that Arabs were outraged that they never bothered to point out to you that the one guy who they said "didn't think it was Muslims" actually blamed the Jews! That article was one of the most skewed things I have ever read. Go back and read it carefully.
on Sep 06, 2004
This was a good article - thanks for linking it.

The thing I find most depressing about this Chechnyan issue is that it is automatically linked to relgion, but religion really has nothing to do with it - it's about an autonomous republic that want's independance - no one is denying the acts were savage, but they were savage in return of harsh oppresion, it doesn't make it right, but I think religion needs to be distanced from this conflict quick smart, or certain individuals will be all too happy to play the all Muslims are pigs card.

BAM!!!
on Sep 06, 2004
Again you jump to conclusions without a basis in fact Muggz. That attack sickened even some of the terrorists involved.
Any wagers on whose idea it was to attack the school?
on Sep 06, 2004
Well, I had something written out, and I foolishly cut-without-pasting-ed it... So, let me sum up.

grey, I disagree that it was just one comment that condemned it. There is the obvious comment, sure, the one from the journalist, the editor of Al-Arabia. There's the slightly less direct comment from the other journalist, as well, the one about how the enemies of Islam could never portray them as horrible as they had just been. Is that not a condemnation?

I probably can't count Syria's comment, tho, huh?
on Sep 06, 2004
Again you jump to conclusions without a basis in fact Muggz. That attack sickened even some of the terrorists involved.
Any wagers on whose idea it was to attack the school?


What conclusions??

It was Chechnyan separatists who attacked the school... not Muslims...

BAM!!!
on Sep 07, 2004

It was Chechnyan separatists who attacked the school... not Muslims...

Muggaz the seperatists in Chechnya are Islamists. It has everything to do with religion.

A little time with google would probably help you actually you know...deal with the facts?

Linkage : Here and here and here. Time spent to confirm this fairly well known point <30 seconds. Have a nice trolling rating for not even bothering to research.

on Sep 07, 2004

I probably can't count Syria's comment, tho, huh?

 

Actually I got a good chuckle over how quickly Syria has changed it's tune now that we are perched on their border:)

on Sep 07, 2004
Did the reporter say that all terrorists have been muslims?
on Sep 07, 2004

Did the reporter say that all terrorists have been muslims?

No actually an Arab journalist/author/religious authority wrote a long piece entitled some thing like that though that the CNN article quoted from.

on Sep 07, 2004
Muggaz the seperatists in Chechnya are Islamists. It has everything to do with religion.
A little time with google would probably help you actually you know...deal with the facts?
Linkage : Here and here and here. Time spent to confirm this fairly well known point <30 seconds. Have a nice trolling rating for not even bothering to research.


So, when Americans were fighting for independance, they were Christians first and foremost? or were the Americans?

Any excuse to attack Islam right Greywar...

BAM!!!
on Sep 07, 2004
Muggaz - While you might think that grey has it out for Islam (and he does exhibit a certain amount of zeal for pointing out the rabid sects), he's not off base here. It's not that they are merely "freedom fighters" here. The government that they would establish is most probably and Islamic state. The reason they are fighting for their freedom is not oppression; there may exist said oppression, but I feel it is instead the establishment of the Islamic state I've already mentioned.
The establishment of an Islamic state has been a common theme in a lot of terrorist actions. I also believe that grey wrote an article on the "my Islamic state is more Islamic than your Islamic state" phenomenon, as well...
on Sep 07, 2004
Suspeckted -
Did the reporter say that all terrorists have been muslims?


As despicible as "link and discuss" articles are (saying this knowing it's my article here), don't you think you should read the "link" before you "discuss"?

Here's an excerpt for you, though:

" [A] prominent Arab journalist wrote that Muslims must acknowledge the painful fact that Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism.

"Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture," Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, wrote in his daily column published in the Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!"

Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups -- in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen -- many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of the al Qaeda terror network.

"Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims," he wrote. Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless "we admit the scandalous facts," rather than offer condemnations or justifications. "
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