Well, more intimidated than outright afraid
Published on December 16, 2005 By pseudosoldier In Philosophy
Yes, intimidated, not wet-your-pants afraid.


Marines and other "manly men"

In this case, I know why I'm still intimidated now. I'm afraid that I'm not one of them, whether it be because they actually made it as a Marine (I simply quit before I got to that point), they can work well with their hands (I've never really tried), or they're "manly" (which I am, too, in a good number of ways, but I still worry about not measuring up).

Where it came from originally? My Dad isn't like the "average" Dad... no sports at all. Doesn't build things in the garage on the weekends. Heck, we didn't have a garage. He was a cop, but I guess I didn't get to see that much, and he'll downplay the "manly" aspects of it when asked, anyway. I mean, we did camp out a fair bit, with the Scouts, but I'm talking perceptions here...

Marines get to me. I wanted to be one, and I gave up on it. Intellectually, I realize that I'm probably better off with what I have, but facing someone who was able to actuate a dream of mine is a little daunting... like they already start ahead of me.

People with enough military rank (any service) get to me, too, although this is certainly something I've gotten over to a large extent. As the gap between their rank and mine diminishes, I gain confidence, but this is also from continued exposure and the realization that the rank doesn't make the man.

"Manly men." Guys with Harleys. Race car drivers. Rednecks/Good Ol' Boys. Men who work with their hands, can fix things, know their way around a car engine, who aren't afraid to get dirty. It's because I'm afraid they're better than me in some way. And I've tried to compensate, which isn't really getting over the fear so much as avoiding it in a fairly constructive way. I go out and do yard work (get dirty), do what I can with the car (thanks for the help for the obvious on the headlamps, SSG Geezer), and do as much as I can that a man should around the house. I do enjoy sports, I just don't have them very high on my priority list... but I've relegated that to be just a small part of my definition, as while I won't memorize a bunch of stats for it I can certainly sit down in front of the tube and appreciate a well played game (with or without domestic beer).

Some day... some day I'll be a man, I think.

Comments
on Dec 16, 2005
I spent several years at Pendleton as a kid.  I learned a great deal of respect for them, and I still have it to this day.  I am not intimidated by them in the least, but I knew with my feet and eyes, I would never be one.  But I do respect them a great deal.
on Dec 16, 2005
Are you SURE that you're not genetically related to my husband in some way?

This is a very interesting series of articles. I feel like I'm getting an insight into the man behind the screen-name.

Here, have a cookie on me.
on Dec 16, 2005
What defines a man most is how he is with a woman


If I ever got her permission, I might write about this, probably in the same series here...

I've been looking for something more personal to say, and I think this is alright without getting too deep into it. I'm glad y'all are liking it okay. I'll have to think hard before I come up with another one... it's really borderline whether this is a true "fear" or an "insecurity" thing.
on Dec 16, 2005
What defines a man most is how he is with a woman


Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa................ Ooooh, that was a good laugh.

I would love, just for a day, to see the world through a woman's eyes. Wonder if I would recognize it...

I would say that how a man is with a woman is one of the most important things in life, but it DOES NOT define the man. That's why Don Juan's can be great lovers, but lousy men.
on Dec 16, 2005
I would love, just for a day, to see the world through a woman's eyes. Wonder if I would recognize it...


I doubt it. I think I might recognize the world through a dude's eyes because I've done things in the past that were traditionally masculine, but I don't think I could live like that for too long.

I would say that how a man is with a woman is one of the most important things in life, but it DOES NOT define the man. That's why Don Juan's can be great lovers, but lousy men.


I'm going to dispute that. I don't think she meant in the sack, I think she meant in general. How he treats her, talks to her, behaqves around her and so on.
I don't wholly agree with her statement either; I think that the best way to tell how a man REALLY is is to watch him with his children (or around someone else's children)...but I do think that you can tell a lot about a man based on his behaviour when he's with his woman.
on Dec 16, 2005
Men who work with their hands, can fix things, know their way around a car engine, who aren't afraid to get dirty. It's because I'm afraid they're better than me in some way.


Trust me. It's nothing special. It's mostly just experience and being too dumb to fear royally jacking things up. If you're really good, you learn from watching other peoples mistakes. Besides, you've got some manly man qualities. You're a big guy, you've sired children, you're fond of beer, (or old crow anyways), you've been in the army, and you know your way around a gun.

Plus, honestly, how many manly men can say all that, in addition to having a mensa sized IQ and speaking multiple languages? Get yourself a pickup trick and a drunken fistfight, and I'd say you're already there.
on Dec 16, 2005
What defines a man most is how he is with a woman, not what he can fix on the car, how many chin-ups he can do on the PT field, or how many stripes he has on his sleeve.


LW, I am sorry but even though women such as yourself offer input to men and decide for yourselves what's masculine behavior, I haven't met a man yet in over thirty-five years as an athlete that measures his masculinity by how he behaves with a woman.

If we were raised properly, our behavior changes in the presents of a woman, especially around the one we care about.


Plus, honestly, how many manly men can say all that, in addition to having a mensa sized IQ and speaking multiple languages?


Spc, there are many males that have crawled through jungles around the world taking fire with the best of the best macho men that happen to have specialized high IQ's, possess multiple languages and employed by various agencies, that also know how to treat a lady and drive a truck.
on Dec 17, 2005
I remember watchin' you rassle SSG pretty-boy to a stand-still. He gave up because he couldn't match your stamina. That's a pretty manly feat. I also remember helping you work on White Lightning. We were both afraid it was going to fall apart around us. Ah well, most of these things are not the true measure of a man anyway. You are the real deal, don't sweat this other stuff.
on Dec 17, 2005

If we were raised properly, our behavior changes in the presents of a woman, especially around the one we care about.

I have to agree with that.

on Dec 17, 2005
I've done things in the past that were traditionally masculine, but I don't think I could live like that for too long.


I agree. I think that 100% masculinity is a weakness. I saw Saturday Night Fever the other night, and the lead character (Travolta’s) embodied all that is generally considered “strong”. But from a spiritual point of view his character was quite weak.

It's because I'm afraid they're better than me in some way. And I've tried to compensate, which isn't really getting over the

Whether such attributes are considered “better” or not depends on our point of view. There’s yin and yang in us all, and if we can find a way to balance them out then I think we can get closer to experiencing inner harmony, and rise above feelings of insecurity / fear, and all that.